Gun Store Owner - If Someone Else Had A Gun Tragedy Might Have Been Averted
Spoken like a true liberal. In your mind, the average citizen is too stupid and irresponsible to possibly own a firearm (even thought the authors of the 2nd Amendmnent didn't feel that way). But then liberals feel that citizens need the government to provide their food, clothing and shelter as well, since they are too stupid or inept to do that for themselves either.
I am rather surprised at the comments posted. No liberal has gone off the deep end yet. Except claudo.
Here's some information for you. More people die because of drunk drivers than from guns. Should we blame the cars and trucks for the deaths and say that America's creditability is decreased because of drinking? Perhaps outlaw adult beverages.
More guns are used to stop crime than are used to commit crime. States with the tightest gun laws have more gun violence than states that don't have tight gun laws.
At the gun shows here in Arizona, the sales people at the gun shows do back ground checks as required by federal law. You cannot go into a gun show here and just pick up a gun. You can sell a used gun privately to anyne without any type of back groud check.
I was told that the gun shows had some really strange people that attended them. Well, most people at the gun show carried guns with them. And despite different groups (some radical like the Nazi's) and different races, most people there were very polite despite the crowding, and i felt very "safe" even though I left my gun in the car.
It costs $25.00 to get into the gun show. There is no extra charge to pick up the newspaper and call around.
I have CCW and carry my gun everywhere it is legal for me to. The sad part is at the bank and schools only the "bad guys" will have a gun. And no law will stop them from coming into the bank or school with a gun.
And to me the saddest part of the VT shooting, besides the loss of life is the fact the one no had a way to defend themselves from this animal because of gun laws.
Guns don;t kill people.
Falling for the hollywood sterotype eh.
This would have never happened in the so called "wild west".
the perp would have been swiftly taken out by the regular citizens.
Here is one thing I don't understand and maybe someone can explain. I heard on one news broadcast that since Cho was a legal alien he couldn't legally own a gun and I heard from another broadcast that he legally bought a gun from a pawn shop. I don't get it? How can it be illegal for you to own a gun and still legal to purchase one?
What makes you think they are not.
But you're quite the ass to suggest grown adults would all start shooting.
Dick. Look at the original Congress in Philadelphia and check how many were gun owners.
You're hatred is only toward yourself, and maybe you should read the 2nd amendment you penis.
If that Korean coward attempted this stunt in a shopping mall, he wouldn't of made it too far.
All the conceal-to-carry citizens would have taken him out before he could go on slaughtering like he did at the 'gun-free' school zone.
Nothing is more absurd to argue for more gun control to stop these situations. Yeah, lets lets the criminals have all the guns.
When ever I see that Brady character on the news now saying this proves we need the destroy the 2nd ammendment, it embarrasses me to see a citizen so ignorant, blinded by his political agenda.
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Well, the NBA is 99% black. The crime rate among blacks is the highest in the United States for any race.
It is only logical to keep guns away from people who are prone to greater violence than people who are not.
Guns in the NBA, or guns in the PGA Tour? Which one will result in more violence?
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Stackman, Jonathan IV | 04.18.07 - 12:44 pm | #
Here is a classic example of two Asswipes that stray from the topis to blast someone for their opinion. You Asswipes can't simple say that you disagree this a view and then state your own. you two snotty nosed Asswipes have to act like this sick Cho fuck. I hope you taste your own fucking blood before you die. You fucking Asswipes.
I agree with other posters. The problem is that we have a society that does not ID and remove dangerous, insane people from vulnerable places like schools where they can inflict massive death and destruction because of overconcern about their "individual rights". In just about any other country, he would have been barred from campus, even deported back to S Korea as a mentally unbalaced, dangerous, undesirable alien.
When he acted, this Cho was a stone killer. No hesitation. No remorse. Machine-like. If he hadn't done it with guns, he would have done it with fire or bombs.
He was apparantly highly interested in bombs, and was implicated in setting a dormitory fire that could have killed 50-60 people. They just couldn't prove it. He was evidently behind the bomb threats.
I disagree with the gun nuts on arming students. While having a few profs or students carrying guns might have resulted in somebody dropping this guy, university really shouldn't be a place where people feel they should pack for protection. It seems the way to best protect the student body is not allow psychopaths like Cho to be there...and if individual rights to prevent others from disclosing and acting on the presence of a creepy, dangerous crazy guy have to fall, so be it.
At the same time, once again Lefty's assertion that "cops will protect us, no one needs a gun" is proved to be BS. This guy went on a shooting spree for 21 minutes 900 feet away from a police center and not a single cop managed to get there and get off a shot on him. Cops, sadly, exist to do mop up and forensic work after a mass shooting, not stop it. Students should have some training in defense, and not just cower or line up to be shot like sheep. Know how to barricade a classroom. What can be used as weapons. When rushing a armed person may guarantee that 4-5 of you may die, but the remaining 3-4 will get him and that is better than 9 waiting on the ground for the bullet to the brain...
For now, the best short-term fix is to have colleges and HS review how many time bombs they have on campus, have students be aware of their danger signs, and change the laws so they can be removed and treated.
No I said your like Cho a sick little snotty nosed Asswipe. Again your piss ant sized brain didn't grasp the simple message.You Asswipes can't simply say that you disagree this a view and then state your own.
If he refuses to serve a white male, he can't be sued for discrimination.
Not if Claudo wrote the test.
The other fallacy is that guns drive these mass killings.
The guns of the sort that Cho used have been around since the 1911 Colt .45 ACP came out. Commonplace. Pump action shotguns since the 1870s.
Something changed, and it was not availability of guns. In modern societies, these rampages are recent, have occured in dozens of nations - and have been tied to a variety of sociological factors. Increased alienation and isolation caused by dissolving of community bonds and religious norms..loss of neighborhood..loss of nuclear families. The constant feed of violent games, videos, music, TV shows that habituate kids to violence and "teach" that violence is the solution. And in recent years, in cities, that the gun is the preferred method of settling arguments and big time killers will be famous....
That is what really has to change.
The safest communities in America are rural, white ones where guns are considered tools and hunting implements - and violence is checked by strict social norms. Those who use broad statistics to "show" how dangerous America is overlook the violent crime rate of white and Asian Americans is on par with their peers in Europe or Asia. But on an uptick in most 1st world nations, and alienation and violence-based entertainment appear to be at fault.
I have no problem with guns in the right hands.Murder rate 2002 per 100000
Baltimore 41.9
DC 44
Detroit 39.4
New Orleans 57.7
Louisville 6.7
Louisville has a concealed carry law.Truthwatch - That said, I must vehemently disagree with you. Gun violence in rural areas is worse than in the major cities. When you look at statistics, you will see more gun deaths in some rural states on a per-capita basis.
You are disingenous. You use "gun deaths" which is code for adding suicide by firearm to crimes done by firearm to pad your stats. In Northern inner cities, suicide by hanging or drug OD is preferred. In prosperous New England, not only is murder lowered by socioeconomic factors of high income, but suicide is as well...and New Englanders when they do, prefer jumps, pills and booze.
Down South, Midwest, and out West, all races more prefer suicide by gunshot. In Alaska, the high "gun death" stats come from Native Americans following an unfortunate generations-old deadly trend of combining guns, alcohol, depression.
Second, I said "rural white communities, not counting the high rate of rural black firearms violence (though not nearly as bad as inner city black slaughter rates).
No one I know of feels any danger walking around in Wyoming - not compared to Newark or Camden NJ.size does not matter
Critic | Homepage | 04.18.07 - 3:35 pm | #
The US Mayors site (www.usamayors.org) has a study of gun deaths. In the same time period, Boston had only 7 gun deaths, while Louisville had 15. Note, these are hard counts, not "per capita" statistics...
"You *do* realize you are championing a drug dealer for havig defended her stash?!"
TruthWatch | 04.18.07 - 3:51 pm
FBI says the murder rate for Boston is 6.6 and I trust them more than a mayor. Not bad what is the secret of Boston over Baltimore?
ROFL!!!
Good Gawd I really do hope that you are no more than a security guard..
"Sugano is charged with possession of marijuana. Beaufort Police are still investigating the shooting"
You do realize that their is a huge difference in "possession" and being a "drug dealer" don't ya champ?
Doesn't look like you do eh?
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Kell Hound - Good post. Glad you are OK. The holes in the health care system and the untreated depression are grave problems - not just for the high media moments of a mass killing, but all the quiet suicides and broken lives...
But we also need a way to get past our infatuation with "individual rights and the "freedom" of dangerous psychpaths to put others at risk. Declaring VT a "gun-free" zone is fatuous in the face of criminals or mentally ill that laugh at liberal's conviction that more laws directed at inanimate objects solves the menace of dangerous, reckless, or criminal minds.
This Cho guy would not have been permitted in the military, in a post office since they started screening, - why do we then believe it is "correct" in a ACLU sense to let a guy like that run around untreated and unchecked on a campus or within a community? Better controls are needed.
And while mass death gets the media attention, tens of thousands of murders are racked up one to three at a time by other Chos. Ironically, Korean, Japanese ethnics have absolutely commendable stats overall in terms of being safe and law abiding people, on a par with Midwest Scandanavians, Poles, etc.
Another thing to remember is that bad, evil people actually exist despite denials by the psychotherapeutic mavens that equate all crime to problems with nurturing or brain chemicals. And the "precious civil liberties" of such bad, evil, malignant people must be weighed against the collective safety of all of us.
If we know that leadership of Iran or N Korea is replete with dangerous, reckless or evil minds it is a matter of our national and global security to prevent them from having WMD - be it nukes or vats of ebola virus ready to load on long-range missiles.
That is a far cry from saying law-abiding citizens cannot possess the means to protect themselves from the 1 in 1000 that are bad, evil, or psychotic people.
Even liberals once anti-gun because they thought cops existed to rescue them from evil are finally waking up after Katrina when the cops bugged out as masses of looters and killers took to the streets, or after every massacre like Columbine where they see cops exist mainly to mop up after the fact and gather evidence. Self-protection is all Americans can honestly rely on. Dumb declarations of "rape-free" campuses and "gun-safe" communities don't make the Chos of America pause for an instant.
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The fact that you might have a weapon is the deterrent. It certainly stopped the teens downtown from intimidating people to give them money.
I worked hard so I could retire at 55.
I haven't owned a weapon in 30 years. While leaving the office late at night, kids would surround me and ask for money. When the CCW law went into effect, the kids went away.
Someone possibly sticking a gun in the back of his head.
I worked in a high-rise office building in town. The teens were from the projects (according to police) about one mile away. They broke into cars occasionally, otherwise only intimidating.
Panhandling is simply asking for money. Six kids surrounding you and asking for money is purposefully intimidating.
The videos showed many cops in position outside the building. I had heard the new policy was to charge the building immediately in school shootings.
Reguarding the carnage in Iraq today. 150 people killed in a population of 25,000,000 percentage wise in not significant.
The media needs to stop inflating these daily bombings.
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So Frank.. your plan is this:
- The US leaves in humiliation
- A real Civil War happens
- The Iraq-equivilent of the Taliban gradually take control of the country
- Osama Bin Laden (for instance) moves in
- The Caliphate equivilent of Al Qaida plots what turns out to be the largest terrorist attack on US soil in history
- US issues Ultimatum to the Caliphate to hand over the proto_Osama.
- They ignore it
- We invade Iraq.
Great fucking plan.
Simpleton Lefties like Frank make much of Saddam's alledged "secularism" and how this is supposed to be some sort of oil to Sunni Muslim's water.
Fact is,, that never stopped him from making alliances against foes and Iraq and AQ did have contacts.
The world doesn't always act in accordance to the stereotypical boxes leftists like to put people in.
If we are to take the "logic" of the Leftys seriously then it would be impossible to explain the military alliance that the US and CCCP had in WWII.
I'm not going over the reasons for the invasion again. You lefties dont seem to ever remember no matter what, so dont waste my time. I've probably spent a month typing the reasons. Never to any result.
We're there now , nothing changes that. So your "plan" is stupid.
From an email I have:
When Abraham Lincoln was a young congressman in 1848, he was a harsh critic of the Mexican War (although, it is important to note, Lincoln was not vocal in his criticism of the war until most of the fighting had ended).
But Lincoln drew a bright line between his opposition to the origins of the war and his support for the troops once the war had begun. He consistently voted to give the troops the support they needed. And when Democrats attacked him for opposing the war and opposing Democratic President James Polk's rationale for it, this was his reply:
"The distinction between the cause of the President in beginning the war, and the cause of the country after it was begun, is a distinction which you [Democrats] cannot perceive."
Too many on the left today have the same problem: They can't distinguish between their claims of opposition to the origins of the war (and for some, the seemingly pathological desire to oppose President Bush), and the ongoing need to support our troops in middle of battle. For the good of the country and our troops in Iraq, opponents of the war should follow the lead of Abraham LincolnFrankC: When people like you are the tool that Al Qaida expects to weaken the US, you should be the last person complaining about the soundness of someone's plan. So far you are doing just what they want you to do. This doesnt bother though. Strange.
How is that comparing Bush to Lincoln... are you able to read? That quote was about Lincoln's behavior in Congress being opposed to the war that was going on.
Um.. Bush isn't in Congress if you didn't know that.I really dont care about Bush.. so go ahead and attack him all you want... with your baby names.
We're going to be in Iraq for a long long time. The jihad against us is going to last a long long time.
People like you undermine us and you should be silenced.
But lucky for you, I'm not in authority.
Here's some maps of Jihad attacks around the world since 2003.
Any fool who thinks this is America's fault knows nothing. This is the result of DECADES of indoctrination and prepartion. You people really need to do some research on this. The press won't be informing you of this reality.. (which of course is why you are all ignorant of it.. if Matt Lauer doesn't spoonfeed you, you dont eat)
http://vincep312.home.comcast.ne...et/ attacks.html
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The sad thing is, Critic claims to be from Louisville, Kentucky. That's mine and Yakki's neck of the woods. When the troll started citing Louisville in his stats, that's when I wished Yakki was there with me so we could have verbally bitch slapped the ignorant troll for making Kentucky look so bad.
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