To those who blast me for being harsh, or name-calling, kindly take a look at who I am reacting that way to. My very first post on this forum may have been biased, but was not outrageous or vile. However, I received a VERY mixed response which told me the tone that is presented on this site ... in general. Much like the people who use such vehement language and posting styles here on the forum, I too love to argue and get just as hostile. Let's face it, it can be quite fun. So, before just judging me at face value, look at what I am arguing with and look at how I respond to those who do not post with vile hostility.
DrFreedom, as for the moment that life begins, how can you draw that line? That is the question. I agree that it happens between conception and birth as well. But where do you draw that line? Perhaps at the first cell division? I am not sure but I would rather err on the side that life begins the second that sperm joins with the core of the egg than to settle for life beginning when the baby kicks for the first time.
Further, hopefully you will recall when I said that, considering I usually am a realist first, this discussion exposes my idealism. I know the argument is idealistic and not able to happen tomorrow. We need to work to change the Godless, narcissistic behavior that has engulfed the nation. Of course I do not want 17 year olds throwing themselves down flights of stairs to end a pregnancy. But why is she pregnant? Because teen sex is accepted as inevitable and socially accepted. There is no moral compass to show kids that it is a terrible thing to do.
Yes, I had lots of sex as a teen myself. From the age of 15 I was very active. And yes, at the time I thought it was cool because it was fun, and enjoyable. But do we realize how teen, or pre-marital sex destroys our culture? Look at the divorce rate, the rate of unwanted pregnancies and disease, even dare I say the rate of homocides related to cheating partners.
A friend of mine asked me once what it was like to have sex with multiple partners. I was shocked at the question. It came as a result of me talking about my latest endeavors. He had known his wife since they were young. They did not have sex, but kept a relationship until they had grown, both virgins. Then they got married and had sex, and a child. They did it right. It was beyond comprehension to him that there could be any real difference between partners. Then it occured to me that if one does it right, they don't tend to view sex in the way the rest of us do. They don't perceive sex as the conquest and adventure that the rest of us do. If you haven't had multiple partners you, basically, don't know what you are missing and are less likely to covet other women while married. The same applies to the porn industry. Scale back the smut so kids don't have it in their faces teaching them that sex is a sport.
I know there are always exceptions, but divorce, infidelity, disease, unwanted pregnancies, etc. would all decrease if pre-marital sex and teen sex were decreased. Idealistic ... yes. Worthy of embracing ... yes.
My goal, or more to the point, idealistic view is not that the government punish women who have abortions or scare them into ramming a wire into themselves to end it in a dangerous fashion. I am not that cruel or stupid. What I do suggest is that we, the people, become outraged when we see Hollywood (as an example) continue to glorify teen sex. Work as a nation to re-instill values that require more of ourselves. Giving up on that is the same as saying it is all ok, and accepting where we are heading. I cannot sit down for that.
DrFreedom, I appreciate your reply and would like to go into this reply further, but I am now late for work. I know I kind of ran through it a bit, but I am willing to discuss it better and not so hurriedly this evening. I am interested in your response and views.Posted by: RedStateConservative () on Wed 4.18 5:00pm
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