Thursday, December 27, 2007

The Main Event

In this corner with a record of 0 wins and 635 loses and once again threatening to retire after he loses his next fight. Suicide Bob!

And in this corner with a record of 0 wins and too many loses to count it's Vince the islamophobe P!

So, remind me; how long after the end of World War II did the US troops leave Europe and Japan?

Just askin'.

OK, point taken.

How long did the US troops remain in Kosovo after the Clinton military "operation" ended?

he Muslim survivors of the near-genocidal Civil War in Algeria in the 1990s coined the phrase Islamofascism.

Why dont you ask them why they coined the phrase.

Wow.
Circle: I'm sure the folks in Italy thought the Fascists were just a radical group and nothing more before they gained power.

And if anything is cynical it's your implication that the Bush admin uses the term IF frequently.

Bush used it ONCE and never had used it since.
That was not the point.

If your reading skills will allow it, read the entire thread. The point in all of this was to answer the statement made that implied (or stated) that the exact second the war ends the troops will immediately leave and come home. Anything less than that constitutes a "lie" as to the war actually ending.
You did not answer the question I posed. When did the US troops leave Kosovo?

Hint: They are still there....
I have never participated in many things. Does that mean I should not be able to express an opinion?

I wonder if you felt the same way ten years ago about a military action being ordered by a draft dodger. My guess is that you were not at all concerned. Seems your partisanship is showing again.
I am not equating the two. Go back to the original purpose of this trail!

It was stated that the US troops would leave Iraq the second the war was over. Anything short of that would be a "lie" about the end of the conflict. My point was that American troops will remain in Iraq for some time to come, even after the conflict ends. Just like Kosovo.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that?
"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

>A system of government

The Caliphate

>marked by centralization of authority under a dictator

The Caliph

>stringent socioeconomic controls,

Sharia law governs all aspect of individual and societal conduct

>suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship

Death to apostates, death to those who blaspheme Allah or the Prophet

>and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

The division of the world by Islam into two spheres...

Dar al Islam: House of Islam.. the lands under sharia law... where all non-muslims must live under the conditions of dhimmitude

Dar al Haarb: House of War: Where Non-muslims rule.

Muslims are command to expand Dar al Islam using any means neccesary in the House of War. Non Muslims (Kuffarr) have no human rights or possess any human diginity , thus when offered the choice of converting to Islam, if they refuse, the refusal is considered an act of aggression against Allah's law and the Kuffar must be killed.

How does Islam not fit under the defintion of fascism?

Larp: We're not an occupying force in Iraq either. We are there at the invitation of the soverign state of Iraq to assist in the stablization of the nation.


Seems Mr. Greenfield left out the letter that Mr. Clinton wrote to Cambridge, begging the school to allow him to study overseas during the Vietnam conflict. Clinton never wore any uniform; Bush wore a US National Guard uniform and fly US military airplanes. Clinton simply rode in a domestic airplane.


Trying to point out the government of Iraq asks us to stay, and that our president has stated repeatedly that the US will leave Iraq if the government of Iraq asks them to leave seems to be rather unneeded.

But, we are talking about far-leftists here.


Moral equivalency between extreme Islamic terrorists and Christians.

What causes it??!!??!!????

Their following of their religon demands it!


"Kill all non-believers, civilian and military, where they live, work and play. This is a commandment from Allah. Kill all infidels!"

How is that for "understanding the cause"??????????





Denying a victory to the Jihad is my definition of victory.

No matter what happens to Iraq, it cannot be seen as a victory of the Jihadis.

We're in an ideological war that is going to last for decades (if the use of WMD manage to be avoided).

You folks on the left better set your expectations accordingly. There is no short-term to this war until the ideology that creates jihadis is defeated.

Since 2001, it seems like the first actual tangible positive move is this year and the surge.

The abusing of Iraqis by Al Qaida has so appalled the Muslims that the Sunnis have decided to align with us to roll back and expel Al Qaida... that's a significant strategic defeat for Al Qaida.. That is way more significant than anything we've done since invading Afghanistan.


If we followed the advice of the Hate America Left, then none of this would have happened. Instead we'd be leaving in humiliation and Iraq would be descending into truly massive bloodshed and anarchy.

Which is why the Leftists deny all reality and keep insisting everything is a failure.


There are some good points in your pdf.

However, even with those comments, no Republican ever put himself in the position the democratic party has done this time. To wit, any victory in Iraq is bad for the democrats, and any failure of American troops is good for the democrats.

What a horrible place to be politcally! To know that the only way you gain politically is for your own country to be losing. And if your country is winning, then that is very bad for you politically.

Yes, what a horrible place to be.


Vince:

Your post is spot on 100% correct.

There are some of us that understand everything you stated, and know what is at stake.





"One of the two major political parties of the United States has linked all its electoral hopes on domestic pathologies, economic downturns and foreign failure. It is actually difficult to name any positive development for America that would benefit the Democratic Party's chances in a national election.

If African Americans come to believe that America is a land of opportunity in which racism has been largely conquered, it would be catastrophic for the Democrats.
Contented black Americans spell disaster for the Democratic Party.


If women marry, it is bad for the Democratic Party. The bottom line is that when Americans marry, it is bad for the Democratic Party; when they marry and make families, it is disastrous for the party.

If immigrants assimilate, it is not good for Democrats. The Democratic Party has invested in Latino separatism. The more that Hispanic immigrants come to feel fully American, the less likely they are to vote Democrat.

Concerning the economy, the same rule applies. The better Americans feel they are doing, the worse it is for Democrats

The most obvious area in which this rule currently applies is the war in Iraq. The Democrats have put themselves in the position of needing failure in Iraq in order to win the next election.

The worse the stories from Iraq, the better for Democrats.

[THUS THE INANE POSTINGS BY BILL COCADISASTER]

That helps to explain why the mainstream media, who ache for a Democratic victory, feature stories of wounded American soldiers, grieving families of killed soldiers and atrocity stories -- such as the apparently fictitious story printed in the New Republic.

when pro-American foreign leaders -- such as Nicolas Sarkozy in France -- are elected, even that is not good for the Democrats."


failing war? No, regardless of the liberals obsessive desire to have America lose, we are not "failing".

crumbling economy? lower unemployment than the last administration, higher stock market than the last administration, more national revenue than the last adminisration.

How is that "crumbling"?


State TV, out of your ridiculous list I will pick two: Bush fired what, seven attorneys? Clinton fired what, 200?

A liberal "outed" Plame (Armitage), not the WH.

The tide is turning, albeit slowly. Even some of the more prominent Democrats and now "admitting" (God, that sounds ridiculous) that the US is winning the conflict in Iraq.


Good bye, folks.
Circle talks as if we really aren't in Iraq and it's an academic exercise regarding us just leaving.

We are in Iraq.. for real.. thus the way we leave is very important.

The Islamists believe that their End Time is now.. they believe that the revival of the Caliphate is just a year or two away. and then it's assured they will take over the world.

It doesn't matter how silly or far-fetched that sounds. What matters is that when they fight, they will fight with the conviction that all of this is becomming true.. and that makes for a fearless fierce fighter.

So if you want to give them more resolve, more confidence, more assurance in thier own victory over us, then keep on wishing for a US defeat... you'll condemming unknown amount of people to death at the hands of the savages and making the world even more difficult than it is now.

Saying "there is no miitary solution" is really stupid.. of course there isn't a 100% solution to be achieved by military means alone, however military means is definately a component to the whatever solution that has yet to be drawn up, if there even is one.. so at the moment military is all we ahve.

Though what puzzles me is how people who know nothing about Islam, like you, act as if you have the answers.

Circle: Islam commands Muslims not to be friends with Non-Muslims.

So I doubt you can learn about Islam from your Muslim friends becuase they obviously aren't following it.

Which is fine.. it's great they are not following it... but dont be misled into thinking that they represent what Islam is.

If your friends engaged in a theological debate regarding Islam's stance toward nonbelievers with Islamic scholars, your friends wold not have any Islamic basis for thier behavior

There are many and plenty moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.

And the more pious Muslims are offended by the term Moderate Muslim.

*late edit* I apologize to circle takes the square for inadvertently posting one of his/her quotes in this thread. Often when two trolls get to making out on a thread I just post their quotes with out reading them. Sometimes a regular's quote pops in there by mistake. I took the quote out. sorry again.

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Lordy, Count - VinceP's assertion that we're in Iraq BY INVITATION has to be just about the most dissonant, desperate troll utterance I have EVER heard...and, as we both know, that is saying something.

Unreal!

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