Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Boortz Butt-Boys and Whores Are Back Part 4.

One can almost hear the gears turning in this idiots head. What a moron.
I've lived in Atlanta for a long time and, truth be told, Boortz has actually melowed a lot and I don't think he works for Rupert either (might be wrong about that).

But his opinions have not changed that much over the years so, like him or not, he is definitley no one's puppet. I can't say the same about Hannity - I don't think he even believes half of what he says.
Not sure what you mean by "the world at large". Go to any anti-war rally, any peace 'n' justice march or for that matter any Unitarian Church and you'll meet socialists and communists. Tool around the Web a bit and check out academic and think-tank websites, especially the personal websites of academics. And, last time I checked, there were dozens of Socialist parties and an active Communist party in most of the Western European nations. Off the top of my head, the Socialists are in power in Spain and there are *two* Communist parties in the coalition currently ruling Italy (one of them being the second-biggest vote getter in the last election!)


So don't swallow.

Thanks for your civil, if skeptical, replies.

Now it's time to go pay the bills.

I do not "think the Italian Communist Party...in any way resembles Russian or even Chinese Communism". I, for one, know the difference between democratic socialism and revolutionary socialism. The former is preferable to the latter, but in the same way that a shot in the chest is preferable to a shot in the head.

On the other hand, one wonders why they bother to use the name. "Partito della Communista Rifondazi": Red flag, check. Hammer and sickle, check. Opposed to globalization, check. Guaranteed minimum income, check. Shorter working hours with no reduction in pay or benefits, check. Wage and price controls, check.
Just to be absolutely clear, all of that stuff about communists and socialists was in response to the statement that "I am not aware of any significant number of them out in the world at large".

I have no problem with whomever the Euros choose to elect, and I understand that socialism is a diverse phenomenon.

I am simply trying to point out that there are significant numbers of both in the world and, yes, in the U.S. and pretending otherwise adds nothing to the discussion.

Unless, of course, socialism and communism are "bad" and one wants to minimize or deny association with it.

Mr. Chapman: Forgive me for repeating myself: Just to be absolutely clear, all of that stuff about communists and socialists was in response to the statement that "I am not aware of any significant number of them out in the world at large".

Forgive me, I rarely visit this blog and have never commented before. I seem to have violated some unspoken rule. It just seems odd to me that one commenter can call the upper levels of our government 'fascists' and not be meaningfully contradicted while another asserts that there is "no significant number" of communists and socialists "...out in the world at large".

Oh Paleeeze! That is Please for most of you. Let's blame the NEOCON's and republicans for everything. Hey, thinking for yourself includes reading all the material related to the subject and having a basic understanding of the material you have read.

If you Dems are all "thinkers" then be readers and learners to find the truth rather than thinking you are always right. You may find yourself surprised that you are being dupped by all the politicians including your beloved democratic leaders (i.e.: Hillary, Pelosi, Dean, etc...). Now, I cannot wait to see the blind tongue lashing levied upon me for speaking my mind. By the way, I think the term or existence of the "NEOCON" is essentially a crypto-politico definition much like the existence and use of the word bigfoot.

Later!
The thing that many of you that are not exposed to Boortz on a regular basis is that he lives to push buttons. Conservatives, liberals, moderates, etc. At some point, as he says, he is probably going to offend all ends of the spectrum. He will often state his positions in the most extreme, shocking manner possible. To really get at what Boortz is trying to say, you have to get past the packaging and look at the point behind it. I happen to be a conservative and I agree with a lot of his point but there are many days he will really irritate with a point he will make. Don't fall into the trap of thinking he is all conservative (or all liberal!)
Stosh, who do you define as a "right-wing extremist?" I see no one like that with any real influence in mainstream politics. When I think of a right-wing extremist I think of someone like Eric Rudolph but I suspect you have something else in mind. To be fair, if you see GOP pols that you feel deserve that label, how can you not fairly describe some Dems as left-wing extremists?


I saw some of that. Like I said. Will not defend posts from either side that engage in name-calling or are profane.

Well, what else would you expect to happen? Certainly would'nt call a meeting to "discuss" the event. Truth hurts, words are just that. If I had a dollar for every time someone said something about my race, I'd be very wealthy. Your type is the very reason no one says what they mean. Only what you feel. Cant offend anyone now can we.

claudo, wait a minute? Why does a white man "especially" not have a right to call a black woman, a very public black woman, a name? I am not defending it as it was insensitive. However, I too would agree it was NOT racist. If you think it is racist, I would encourage you to look up the true definition of racism and tell me how that comment would fit that definition.


1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Well it appears to make all the difference in order to prove a point on this site since we need to be clear. We do not want to post inaccurate info now do we?

I dont know. Perhaps you should tell us all. Or are you afraid of people calling you a racist. I lived near ghettos and they're not what you seem to think they are. And alluding to does'nt mean something is..
Okay. Well there is this white trailor trash woman in the neighborhood up the road from me and I can say for a fact that she reminds me of a ghetto slut.

(And now you have.)

Again...many of you are showing you either do not know the meaning of the word racist or you refuse to acknowledge it. Granted, if you said that Boortz's comment was prejudice, there was be a tough time arguing that. But it simply is NOT racist. As Stosh said, "words have meaning."

Hey Ellen looks like Neal is keeping track of what is said here:

If you want to see just how exercised some of the libs out there can get over my book and the things I have to say, just click here for a reaction to last night's appearance on Hannity & Colmes. When I yank the chains at the folks at NewsHounds then I know I'm doing something right. I would guess that Newshound Ellen has helped me sell well over 1000 books. So .. big shout-out to Ellen!

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Ok. Oh, I get it the old "everyone in the south is Dumb?" that's pretty original and not prejudiced at all either. I thought you liberals were the sensitive ones....

Oh Please


He made a comment about her hair and then apologized for it


Big Deal...

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Good Grief claudo...

Why are you so scared of the man expressing his opinion?


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Ellen I will be the first to admit Neal can be over the top at times but often he is spot on. He often takes on the right as well. If claudo ever really read him instead of Media Matters he would be surprised at the number of common positions they share.

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How is that lying woke? Neal pointed out clearly as your post shows, that he was clear it was an inclusive sales tax. That looks like plain openness to me.

I care that he is being divisive and slanderous, poisoning the nature of debate and discourse and doing it all for the sake of his own "glory."
Ellen | Homepage | 02.20.07 - 4:16 pm |


Ellen I will certainly agree with you on the point of him looking out for himself first. He does have quite the ego. I imagine that is why he and O'Reilly can't stand each other.

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Here you go. Read away. Boortz calls Bush a pandering politician and jumps all over those in favor of the amendment to ban gay marriage.

http://boortz.com/nuze/200606/ 06...062006.html#gay

"Several wrote to tell me they weren't going to support the FairTax any more because I'm not for a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage.

Well ... first of all. Bad news for those who wrote me such loving emails. We found out yesterday that there are not enough votes in the Senate to pass the amendment .... so it's dead. Stone, cold dead. Game over. Bush will have to find another group to pander to or, miracle of miracles, actually find some issue that the American people can really get behind."

So we have conditions on the degree of criticism. Either its critical or it isn't.

Is calling George Bush out for wanting to ban gay marriage a legitimate criticism or is it not?

Do you need more?


Woke, what is your point? No one claimed it was a 23% EXCLUSIVE rate. For you to then try to equate that to a 23% INCLUSIVE rate would be inaccurate. Just because the inclusive rate is less familiar, does not make it less valid.


http://boortz.com/nuze/200306/06...6/ 06132003.html

Here's another one:

FLAGGOTS MEETING

The Sons of Confederate Veterans are meeting in Statesboro, Georgia this weekend. Many, though not all of them will be plotting strategy to return the Confederate battle emblem to the Georgia State Flag.

This group needs to change their name. How about "DSCV?" The Delusional Sons of Confederate Veterans. Some of the more aware members of this organization need to inform their colleagues of the fact that the Confederate battle emblem is NEVER going to return to Georgia's State Flag. It's time to turn their attention to other matters.



Here's another one.

"Can you imagine the problems some people will have if we discover life somewhere other than on the Earth? The creationists, for instance .. how do they handle this?

There I go again .. stirrin' it up. Well, somebody's gotta ask these questions."


Who said he had to be fair? He's trying to tell it like it is. When conservatives are out-of-line he let's them have it too. He is an equal opportunity offender.


Its not Boortz's fault that the people on the left are on the wrong side of the equation more often than the "neocons."

7 | 02.20.07 - 4:45 pm |


LOL!!


You have been given numerous example of where Neal has taken on the 'right'


Show where Media Matters ever reported on those comments...

Not going to happen eh?

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Again, not {teachers = worse than "the base" (its Arabic for Al Qaeda)}

Boortz's funny math:
{teacher's unions = worse than terrorists}

Maybe he's on to something with this whole education thing.


Right...there is no commentary at MediaMatters. You can keep pushing this point all you want, but the premise of the Fair Tax is an inclusive tax rate. You have zero proof of why he did not specifically highlight this and the fact that he did not does not change that this component of the Fair Tax remained unchanged. In fact, I have never heard him shy away from saying it was an inclusive tax when asked and I listen to his radio quite frequently.


you cannot reasonably show us the bias in a site that is REPOSTING actual transcripts and articles and showing the rw bias in our msm

can you?


prove it
woke | Homepage | 02.20.07 - 4:47 pm | #

I reread the article. There is not one iota of proof or evidence that there was any intential deceit. Please point out a quoted line that shows this intent.


You're all sheep - both sides, left and right. Reposting a bunch of BS from a right wing website or a left wing website and throwing personal insults at each other is ridiculous. I haven't seen an original idea or thought on this thread in many many posts now.

Here's what you need to realize (both sides): Boortz is to political talk radio what Howard Stern is/was to talk radio. He has a political opinion but he is a shock-jock more than anything else. He doesn't sugar coat his beliefs (no matter how crazy some of them are) and he says what he thinks.

If you are offended don't listen to him. If you are not offended, that's cool too but don't take all his (or anyone else's) opinions and adopt them as your own - think for yourself!
Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.


But we are supposed to believe they are "unbiased"


Too Funny

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woke, who cares what the rate is? If the proposal is revenue neutral and it strips out enough layers of embedded income tax such that my out of pocket cost is similar I do not care what the rate is. It is the end result I am concerned with. For the record, I am not 100% sold on the proposal and I have some economic based concerns around sticky prices and his theory will fall rapidly. However, that is based on substance and not getting hung on how a figure is presented.


Right, I know. I wasn't referring to mediamatters specifically and there are biases on both sides IMO...

There are just too many people whether liberal or conservative that just adopt someone else's opinion and blindly follow one party or the other without question. To me that's whats really scary.

If someone asks for your opinion on something and you don't know much about it don't be afraid to say you don't know much about that subject and maybe they can tell you where to go get more information. Then check, double check and re-check that info before forming an opinion or a belief. It's not easy but all you have to do is think a little. (this is not directed specifically at you, woke)


Yeah woke, I would give MM more credit if they were a site that claimed to measure ALL supposed bias in the media. What does it matter if they find 30 instances of RW bias per day (or whatever metric you want to use) if the instances of LW bias are twice that? Without the other half of the picture, theie contention that the media is biased to the right (which I find quite laughable) is hardly proven.


Anonymous | 02.20.07 - 5:03 pm | #

my post

why is it not saving my info?

Boortz gets paid to speak his opinion.Why would he do something else on tv? And if you hate Hannity why watch his show(or care what he says)? Read hr25 before you bash the fair tax.Remove the prebate and figure wfat the real rate is compared to the stupid quo.

Fine woke. You win the battle that Neal is nastier to the left than the right. That does NOT change the fact that he goes after right wing issues. And even without the shock value, he sure does manage to really make some people hot under the collar.


Bottom line... Boortz is successful because he does a fantastic job at what he gets paid to do. If you don't like him... don't listen to him. It's the beauty of America. However, the left's proposed legistlation to stop him and any other talk show host who isn't to the left, is an insult to the intelligence of the American citizen.


He doesn't think that anyone on the right is worse than our enemies if he did he would say it - he also has never said that about anyone else so I guess the Teachers Union in his opinion is the only thing more dangerous to this country in the long run than Al Queda.

Remember H&C is an opinion show - I know a lot of people don't realize that but it is so he gave his opinion and of course Hannity chimed right in and agreed because he can't form an opinion of his own but I digress.

I'm done for a while. Have fun bashing each other. :)



john t

That didn't even make sense.


That's only if you associate yourself with the party that is trying to do away with simple first amendment rights.



Dont get me wrong... I don't think that the GOP is handling our constitution any better as a whole. Both parties are better at different things but neither share the view of the common person (by and large).

Boortz' comment was referring to the long term. AQ/Terrorism is our biggest immediate threat. I believe he was referring to the long term. Right or wrong.

Ellen I understand, I was merely correcting john t. As for Neal's commentary last night I agree with your assessment to the degree that it was somewhat over the top in nature. I believe Neal is doing whatever he can to sell his new book.

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Quick question here... I would love a leftist perspective here.

Please do not jump to conclusions on this question as I am truly trying to gain some insite on the position.

Since radicals of a certain religion have declared war on us... why is it so taboo to lable them a threat?

If being anti-certain religion is dangerous for Americans... wouldn't hating America be dangerous for America as well?

I'll hang up and listen.

And, as i recall, one of your favorite sources of info, eh?

woke | Homepage | 02.20.07 - 5:48 pm |


No not at all


While I may completely agree Neal on many points I disagree with him 100% on many others


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I think it is also important to remember that teachers are being run over by students these days... and that problem comes from a lack of discipline and respect at home. It certainly doesn't make their job to teach easier when kids are not ready and willing to learn.


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