Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Boortz Butt-Boys and Whores Are Back Part 3.


Hey POPS....

How is being a successful RE attorney and national talk show host being a low life?

No one owes you anything... get over it.

If he is still around then he has some say in it but, honestly, when did a man ever have equal say with a woman. I don't know how it works in your house but..... :)


FrankC | 02.20.07 - 11:28 am | #

I was obviously only referring to the cases where that would be true. If the father is not around by choice... he's a **** loser. If she uses it as birth control... that's a new issue.


Woke,
Public and private. I liked private school much better but it became too expensive. I wish that we had a voucher system back them. Actually, I wish that the government did not take the money from my parents in the first place.


Most of the comments are so irrelevant and meaningless its embarrassing to read. People on both sides have points to make. Unfortunately liberals don't make points relevant to the issue, just throw mud in neaderthal language. Two words - grow up.
OK, I'll take a stab: All children are indoctrinated. It's called "child-rearing". That said, I think what people object to is children being indoctrinted, at public expense, in things with which they disagree. (Isn't that the basis for the furor about "prayer in schools"? Some think it's good for the kids, some want to use the schools to proselytize, some think school is not the place for it, others just hate religion.)

Well, here's what I learned in public school, 1970 - 1982:
be nice to each other
don’t hit, even when hit
share and cooperate, even with
people who won’t share and cooperate
all races and cultures are basically
the same but we must respect differences even when they are strange, offensive or damaging to us
the policeman is your friend
don’t play with matches
don’t do drugs
the government has a solution to every problem
progressive/liberal/new = good
traditional/conservative = bad
secular = good
religious = bad
labor = good
business/corporations = bad
animals and stone-age humans = good
modern humans = bad
progressive taxation = good
laissez-faire = bad
all violence, including self-defense = bad
guns = bad
obey the rules, even when others don’t and we do nothing to enforce them
criticism of certain groups and ideas is unacceptable, even when true.
stereotypes are false

I'm guessing that whether or not agrees with these things will largely determine whether or not one objects to them being taught in school.

This much is true: My profound distrust of government and authority is due to my long exposure to the public school system.
Good call by Boortz. Don't always agree with him, but dead on here. The ever increasing dumbening of our citizen by the ever worsening of our public schools is the #1 threat to this country. One only has to look at the inane TV shows that dominate not only the ratings but news headlines as well, so see this.

Drastic changes in our educational system are needed, but the unions won't allow it. More money is the only solution they will allow. We've tried that, it doesn't work.
I noticed that Ellen doesn't feel that Boortz has the right to critisize the war effort as he never served.
Okay, good point, now does that also mean that we don't have to put up with liberal bedwetters discussing the war as they also, never served?
jmac | 02.20.07 - 11:33 am


cutting and running? Like the Left is 'threatening to do?

Awesome.


TRANSLATION:
Im beat, They are asking for facts to back up what I have posted
Time to CUT & RUN!
Actually Redployment of the troops is the "definition" of Cut and Run.



Nothing is more ridiculous than the idea that in order to support a policy, you must volunteer your time and services to it.

I support the police, but I am not headed to the academy to join the force.


Anyone who believes anything they hear in any news source is pretty stupid. News is all about sensationalism and ratings now, it has little to do with actual information. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

Many facts have been provided... follow up with the research and be educated. It's actually quite fun to learn something new


I would say that Fox News does more than its fair share of dumbing down. And if people believe the crap on Fox, one does wonder which school systems they came out of. That people believe the lies and propaganda on Fox doesn't say much for the level of intelligence of its viewers.
claudo | 02.20.07 - 11:37 am | #

FYI, FOX News programs that you are bashing are not news programs, they're commentary/opinion shows. Unlike NBC and the rest who interject opinions instead of giving the news as they are required.


Assassin, I see nothing but hypocracy in liberal positions.

no support for stopping illegal aliens,
no support for the 2 border patrol officers jailed for doing their duty,
no support for constitution, article 4, ,section 4, where the federal govt is directed to protect states from invasion.


Bullshit argument, here's a better one. I support the troops, that doesn't mean I support them being sent to an unnecessary war.

Good for you, me too. What is your point? I see you made no attempt to respond to my argument. You merely assumed I am for the war (I'm not) and said nothing to my point. Why?


stosh: Well, sir, you don't have to "buy" it. It happened and my experience is just as valid as any of the other anecdotal blather on this thread.

BTW, I think you're being disingenuous. No one stood up in a class and said "religion is bad"; religions *were* consistently depicted as enemies of progress, science, etc. - which they often were - but seldom, if ever, was religion given any credit for moral and philosophical ideas or reform movements - especially in the modern era.

John T
No, $40,000 is not a great salary when you are working 8 to 5 all year long. But, it is when you are working 8 to 3 for nine months of the year plus all holidays and winter and spring breaks.


John | 02.20.07 - 11:35 am | #

That's ridiculous. You had a choice to keep your third child and I am glad you chose to do so. It doesn't make me happy that babies are aborted anymore than anyone else. My whole point here is IT IS NOT THE GOVERMENT'S DECISION!!!!

BTW: I didn't say pregnancy was a necessary evil I said abortion was.

How 'bout this: If more people had abortions there would be less need for welfare.

Wait, I got it. You're aparently all for Gov't control so how about no more than three kids per family or the gov't will force you to have an abortion? The gov't knows best right?

I can argue using your brand of logic too.

I agree here as well. Our ever increasing government dependence is also allowing parents to think they are not responsible for their children.

However teacher's union deserve their lion's share of the blame.

Okay stupid, Yes they are a news NETWORK.

However, the shows as I mentioned earlier, which you obviously missed, are in fact OPINION SHOWS on that network.

Hellooo yourself!
claudo, My allegations are from polls of the citizens, that show that 80% of Americans want the illegals stopped, and watching current news that shows a real lack of support for stopping illegals by democrats, how about the fence that was passed in the previous congress?

Colonel,
Did you ever read about the abortion procedure? Do you understand what the doctor does? It is scary. I cannot imagine that there is a doctor that could perform this procedure. Once you understand what is involved, you cannot conclude that it is anything but murder.


Please tell us how you come to equate becoming a policeman with supporting an unnecessary occupation that has destroyed a secular govt for a theocracy, has created half a million casualties and has, in fact, INCREASED TERRORISTS?



Again, I do not support the war, nor do I think it's a good idea.

I merely said that for those who do support it, they have no precedent or duty to volunteer their services to policies they think are a good idea.


FrankC, no I'm saying when you are doing an opinion show let it be as such. If you are giving the news, DO THAT. Do Not Mix the two. The alphabet channels do it all the time.

KNOW when your programs are doing what they should be doing.

LISTEN.


Stosh, you seem to be the one who thinks everthing anyone says is Bullshit. (your word) Do you have anything else to offer?


FrankC: Um, it was one guy. And he was hit in the buttocks, not in the back. It is not in evidence that he was unarmed. They were allowed to fire under their ROE because the van he was driving did not stop.

I do wonder why they didn't file a report, but the government's handling of this case is not exactly stellar. After all, we want to always give the accused the benefit of the doubt, no?

Where the border (especially the southern border - where the Border Patrol are shot at daily by the coyotes, narcotraficantes and Mexican army/police on the drug payroll) is concerned, I'd like to see the Patrol be a little more agressive.


FrankC | 02.20.07 - 11:45 am | #

They didn't shoot two unarmed men. They shot a fleeing criminal immigrant who was transporting 740lbs of weed.


Woke,
My expertise comes from personal experience. I have three children in the public schools. I have several issues with their school but there is not much that I can do about it.


If you are giving the news, DO THAT. Do Not Mix the two. The alphabet channels do it all the time

Using your argument, so does Fox.
claudo | 02.20.07 - 11:50 am | #

Afraid not. Not when its a newscast.

Why don't you just admit that you like your talking points better than you like his talking points? How intelligent are you, stash?

I lived in that area for a couple of years. It is a scary area and when I was out in the country I always had a gun close to me.
Beautiful area and many neat people but over run with cockroaches, the human kind


Dude, you haven't provided anything but right-wing talking points here all day. Not one fact, no evidence for anything, nothing but intolerance and dumb parroting of what you've been told.

I have zero respect for you. Until you show me a glimmer of intelligence, don't try to tell me what to do.
Stosh

I'm not telling you to go away. You just keep calling everyone elses imput Bullshit. Thats all you say. it's old.
Why don't you just admit that you like your talking points better than you like his talking points? How intelligent are you, stash?
clintonianism sux | 02.20.07 - 11:56 am |

Thank you for that. I appreciate it.

The point is that we granted immunity to a CRIMINAL whose actions provoked our defenders to do what we've asked/paid/trained them to do.

I agree that it should have been reported, but that's not the big issue.


Woke,
I am very involved in my children's education. Their teacher's might say too much. But, if a teacher in a public school is not doing their job, there is not much that can be done about it.


woke, I agree with you, I have been a conservative for 30 years but I voted to kick them out this last election.


Actually... they do. Furthermore... they didn't kill him, they stopped him.

I'm for the decriminalization of narcotics... just a side note.


"it's old."

And you do nothing but make shit up and lie lie lie. Your comments about Fox vs the other news channels are laughable. You look pretty dumb when you say that stuff. And there is nothing that gets older than a fool who keeps repeating the same nonsense over and over again. You have no credibility.
Stosh | 02.20.07 - 12:00 pm | #


If its old, then lets move on. And dont call me a Liar unless you want to prove that. None of us know each other you cant prove that I've lied.

stosh: I understand your skepticism. My statements are probably at odds with your own experience. I'm not sure you can be convinced and I am by no means required to justify my public school experience, any more than the ironworker his construction experience or the Vietnam vet his combat experience.

For the record, the attitude to religion I described was pretty uniform over a variety of classes from junior high through college: World History, European History, U.S. History, History of Tecnology, Sociology. Specific example: Carl Sagan's history of science almost completely omits mention of religion except as an antagonistic force, when the influence of Christianity on European culture can hardly be underestimated.
I agree that it would in fact be different. This is much more important than a simple domestic issue because of what we require and desperately need for the borders right now. It's the larger toleration of illegals that bothers me.


I approve of shooting anyone that violates our borders in a criminal act. Deadly force is shooting someone in the head.. not the butt. Police and other law enforcement are often instructed to shoot someone in a manor specifically described as "non deadly."


Woke,
I left my job so that I could spend more time with my children.
If you are so smart, tell me what I am supposed to do when I am dealing with an incompentent teacher and a school principle that only cares about her retirement?




The labor is available because unions have forced many manufacturers overseas. Lawmakers aren't the only ones responsible.

I would love to. General conversations like this are the starting point for overall improvement. Isn't that why we're all here?

claudo, the labor is available because the federal govt will not enforce the borders

FrankC: Did you read my post? I'm not "reconciled" to the fact that they didn't make a report; I said "it bothers me". Failing to make a report - when a verbal one would have done - and picking up their brass doesn't necessarily add up to "hide the evidence". None of us have all the facts, but what's there is fishy. It just isn't as cut and dried as you'd have us believe.


Colonel,
Now I understand! It is ok to kill as long as you call it abortion. I suppose that the next step it to eliminate all of the "undesirables".

As far as the Republican Party, they spent entirely too much money when they were in power for me to support them. Lets hope that the Democrats do not make the same mistake.


claudo | 02.20.07 - 12:12 pm | #

Claudo... I was hoping that you were smarter than that regarding this issue. You're lost.


John T,
My wife works. She supports that family. And, if I could find a job that would pay me $75,000 after taxes, I might go back to work. Because that is how much is costs to sent three children to private school.


I grew up in a very apolitical household. I can count on fingers of one hand the number of times that either of my parents expressed a political opinion. So when I got out into the adult world and started paying attention to politics, I found that I agreed (primarily) with one group and disagreed with another. Then I started to wonder where I got my political opinions, if not from my folks and the answers were pretty obvious: public school and popular entertainment.

Woody Allen's bon mots aside, life is *not* like high school and the disconnect between what I'd been taught and life in the adult world led me to question. Needless to say, when I began to question, my opinions changed - sometimes drastically.

Second, since I was something of an introvert and usually above my grade level, I hung out with the teachers whenever possible. (They were so much more interesting to talk to than the other kids.) When they got to know me, they would say the things that people always say when "it's just us chickens" and I got to know what they *really* thought.

I ate it up, but with rare exceptions, they were all of the same political and cultural stripe.

Finally, I don't think that everything I was taught was wrong; just very one-sided.


Stosh,
Two of my children have great teachers. They are wonderful. My third child has a teacher that does not seem to be cut out to be a teacher but she does not seem to be too motivated to find a new career. I feel as if I have to do her job.

John T,
Yes. Any good private school in my area costs $25,000 per year per child.
Yep, justice makes one sound and a railroad makes another.

Look at it this way: If an undocumented transportation worker in the hallucinogen-distribution business refuses to stop for law- enforcement officers at a border crossing, that's what the software people call a "feature". When trained, certified, sworn-to-protect-and-defend peace officers break procedural rules and allegedly use excessive force, that's what the software people call a "bug". While I think law-enforcement should be held to a higher standard, I also think that they should get an even bigger benefit-of-the-doubt than your Ordinary Decent Criminal.

If a cop shows a well-documented *pattern* of misbehavior, throw the book, but if there's any case for these guys being "bad cops" other than this one incident, I haven't heard it.

And hey, 98 Branch Davidians can't be wrong...

My god you people are ignorant. It is crystal clear that almost none of you have ever listened to Boortz's show, which is syndicated nationwide.

He is a libertarian, not a conservative, and certainly not a "neo con" as some asshats on here are harping about.



Well, i worked all my life to be able to work at home, make my money, pursue my "greedy" capitalist/Libertarian lifestyle and so now I must head off to lunch.


Gotta disagree with you there, Chief. Cops are trained to shoot at "center-of-mass", which translates as the upper torso. While you are more likely to survive a .40 hollow-point to the chest than to the head, it's not exactly what I'd call non-lethal.

Sad to say, cops are not marksmen. My cop friends spend more time on paperwork than at the range. (Most only have to "qualify" annually or semi-annualy.) The ones who care about their marksmanship practice on their own time with their own ammo.

stosh: Outside the classroom was an adjunct; a further revelation of where my teachers were "coming from".


And you would like to see the whole public school system go to the private sector.

And just how would you expect most people to afford it?
john t

One more quickie, yes I would. Once again, the government needs to be in or lives as little as possible. Most people could afford it if they stayed out of government schools and learned a trade, went to work got home schooled. GOT RESPONSIBLE. QUIT WATCHING AMERICAN iDOL, VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT MATTERS blah, blah blah.

The cost of our schools would go down based on completion. As it stands now, there really is no need for our public schools to cut their costs. I do not think that I have ever known of a school that operated under budget.

ProfessorDuh | 02.20.07 - 12:23 pm |

Would you agree with the statement 'Many contemporary American "progressives/liberals" ARE socialists or communists. That's not an insult - it's simply an accurate description.'?

Of course, we'd have to discuss what constitutes "many"...

stosh: "...come from another point of view?" No, a variety of points of view.

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking in the second question, but we can safely agree that the parents who objected to "Doctor Zhivago" did so out of ignorance.

I had a similar experience: One of the few "stand out" teachers I had made us read "The Communist Manifesto" and then he challenged the class to a debated, with him taking the Communist position. Had half the kids and parents convinced *he* was a Communist, when in fact he "tricked" us into demolishing Marx in about 72 hours.


No comments:

Total Pageviews