Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.
Studies indicate that firearms are used more than 2 million times a year for personal protection, and that the presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents crime in many instances. Shooting usually can be justified only where crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life, limb, or, in some cases, property.
ARMED CITIZEN
SnakeSkinSkull | 04.17.07 - 12:38 pm | #
If you had a firearm and your neighbor knows it. Most likeky they would try to rob and easier target.
Sounds like your a victim waiting to happen.
SnakeSkinSkull | 04.17.07 - 1:35 pm | #
First, I want to say that I am horrified and saddened by the events of yesterday and I am praying for the victims and their families. None of us, unless we have been the victims of violent crimes, can understand the horror they are currently experiencing.
Then, I have to say that this is the first day I knew that the News Hounds site existed and I have had some fun time reading through all the funny comments folks make.
And, finally, I just want to comment on these two comments:
~~~"32 people were killed yesterday in Virginia.
An average of 24 people are killed EVERY DAY in iraq.
Imagine the Virginia Tech massacre EVERY DAY.
If you live in Iraq -- that's what life is like.
I wouldn't put it past Rove to have paid this kid to go ape just to distract the trolls from the real news."
"While we're greiving about this, let's not forget that people representing us have caused this sort of senseless violence in Iraq."~~~
My comment is this: do either of you remember the horrific tragedy that our nation experienced several years ago in September in which thousands were killed by terrorists being funded and aided by Hussein and his minions? I have to agree that there is outlandish and senseless violence being perpetrated every day in Iraq, but if you are in any way suggesting that this violence is caused by or even done by our country's troops or by their presence, then you are sadly mistaken. Please place blame where blame is due...squarely on the backs of terrorists who will place bombs on the backs of their own children at any time in any place. Those terrorists sworn enemy that they have vowed to kill is you and me, we who are freely expressing our opinions today without imminent threat to our persons for so doing.
(I already posted part of that but it's so good I'll post it twice)
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. *sigh* Just how do you propose to get the guns out of the hands of criminals? Criminals are CRIMINALS. They will get the guns always. Gun control (any proposals I have seen) will only make it harder for those who try to respect the laws to get what they need to protect themselves or what they wish to use for sport. Criminals will always have guns...no matter what laws we enact. (Remember, they don't follow the laws!!!)
That One CONSERVATIVE girl...* | 04.17.07 - 2:36 pm | #
wo terrible school shooting disasters. The police were of no help in either VA or CO.
We know this as fact.
What we don't know is how the ending of either of these two disasters would have been affected if an adult educator had a CCW.
We know what will not work. Why not try something else that might?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 2:43 pm | #
What a stupid, childish and Utopian thing to say. Exactly how can you "try to change that"?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 2:45 pm | #
Actually, I got some info off of PBS.org...not in any way affiliated with Fox. LOL Ever heard of Salman Pak?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fr...ws/ khodada.html
That One CONSERVATIVE girl...* | 04.17.07 - 2:46 pm | #
Fact number one: There are evil people in this world, that will kill innocent kids with no remorse.
Fact number two: There is no certain solution to fact number one.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 2:47 pm | #
Well here in philly we have this problem daily we lose 1 or 2 a day right now …but if try to do anything about it the republican in Harrisburg will step in to stop the city from enacting a good law exp:
We have straw buyers here these are people that buy a bunch guns every month then sell them to criminals and report them stolen.
When we try to stop this the NRA republicans in Harrisburg step in
Defense of the straw buyers. This one way to cut off some of the guns
philadelphia kevin | 04.17.07 - 2:44 pm | #
I don't know, living clear out here in the desert southwest, if those republicans are acting "in defense of the straw buyers" or not. I would hope not...but if they are, the solution, IMHO, would be to elect officials who will not pull that kind of crap. I honestly don't see how changing the laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals...straw buyers or no.
That One CONSERVATIVE girl...* | 04.17.07 - 2:51 pm | #
What I'm trying to say by repeating my own talking point, is that while I'm strongly in favor of the right to bear arms, I find it laughable that someone thinks they are going to hold off the government with their guns...you'll look pretty funny standing there with your rifle when you get hit with a missile fired from 2 miles away.
DaveJ | 04.17.07 - 11:30 am | #
Keep repeating it to yourself DaveJ. You wouldn't be standing there alone that's for sure.
Sounds like you have some problems with our Bill of Rights.
EllensanIdiot | 04.17.07 - 2:51 pm | #
Wow!!! The level of disgust I have created here is rising, I can tell. I love a good debate. I would love to visit Philly in the summer! Thanks for the offer. I think it would be awesome to celebrate July 4th there!!! If I am ever able to go, Kevin, I'll come by and shake your hand. I did read that disclaimer, and I also know that there are photos showing this site and show the fuselage exactly where this guy said it would be. You can pick and choose the truth you will believe. I don't mind. Well, lunch time is over for me, so back to the grind...enjoy the rest of your day! *smooches*
That One CONSERVATIVE girl...* | 04.17.07 - 3:05 pm | #
Well, here in the great U.S., we are not mandated to to start our three year old boys in combat training. We don't teach them to sing songs about killing Jews. We don't teach them that there are dozens of virgins waiting in heaven for them right after they strap that bomb on and detinate themselves amongst women and children.
It's a little different here and we like it that way and many of us have been carrying weapons for a very long time. It's a nice thing to have when you run into someone who has no regard for life.
Ellensandiot | 04.17.07 - 3:30 pm | #
Kansas’ concealed carry law took effect January 1, 2007. On January 19, two armed men burst into a gas station owned by Dean Yee. According to police, they twice demanded money from Yee while holding him at gunpoint. A customer inside the store, however, had a concealed-carry permit. He shouted for the robbers to drop their weapons. When they refused, he shot one suspect before the other fled. Station owner Yee feels lucky to be alive. “I would have been shot in the chest,” he told 27 News. Kansas Sen. Phil Journey, (R-Haysville) added, “Hopefully this will put other criminals and thugs on notice that Kansas is a different state today
than it was just 20 days ago.” (The Topeka Capital-Journal, Topeka, KS, 01/23/07)
ARMED CITIZEN
SnakeSkinSkull | 04.17.07 - 3:33 pm | #
What is the deal here with the NRA? From what I know about them, all they are asking is for Americans to follow the existing gun laws. The ones that have been on the books for years, but for some reason are not always followed.
Why not start with obeying the existing laws before you write more laws?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 3:44 pm | #
Your point is?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
Yep...right now I am drinking out of a mug that states that I am PROUDLY a Charter Member of The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy! No, I don't work in a cubicle...I am self-employed. Yes, I do have health insurance. And, I vote for my best interests every time...less government in my life is ALWAYS in my best interests. Better a sheep in the flock than a lemming off the cliff. :) Okay...really I have to get back to work, no matter how much fun it is to spar with you all!
That One CONSERVATIVE girl...* | 04.17.07 - 3:48 pm | #
I said all those automatic weapons you mentioned in your post have been outlawed since 1968. It has been against Federal gun laws to possess or own an automatic weapon.
That law has worked well, now hasn't it?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 3:49 pm | #
Per capita? Good question. We have approx 300 million citizens here. What is the gun murder rate per capita, and how many of those gun murders were with guns aquired legally?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 3:54 pm | #
Existing gun laws prohibit carrying a concealed weapon without a concealed weapons permit.
How is this law working for us?
What "new" gun law would you enact that could possible be better than that one?
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 3:58 pm | #
You flatter yourself DaveJ! Why don't you read the posts where you and the other flounders first say you support gun control like locks and background checks but you also totally support our right to bear arms.
Then read the posts that say how stupid we are to think that we could possibly protect anyone with our guns because it would take us way to long to unlock them.
Keep chipping away at our freedoms a little bit at a time, and pretty soon the original freedom we had will start to seem ridiculous. Right?
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:05 pm | #
The formula for black powder is still with us.
larp | 04.17.07 - 4:04 pm | #
You are such a racist larp.
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:08 pm | #
Those who "think" instead of "feel" will look toward security solutions and better preparations for what is obviously a problem that will indeed repeat itself, time and time again.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 4:08 pm | #
Of course it is dork.
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:10 pm | #
We can still do that here in America, right larp?
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:11 pm | #
Right, well in speaking about guns you understand the logic right?
Here it's pretty simple.......how do you protect yourself when your gun is locked and an intruder sneaks up on you (cuz that's what bad guys do Eminem)?
Pretty soon the people whose original intent was to take guns away from Amerian citizens have succeeded by making it look pretty stupid to even own a gun for protection because you have to keep it locked up.
Are you following that?
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:19 pm | #
Studies indicate that firearms are used more than 2 million times a year for personal protection, and that the presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired,
Twenty people under 21 have died directly of alcohol overdose (alcohol toxicity, alcohol poisoning).Six more have died of other causes while severely intoxicated (BAC over 0.16)
Seems that they should ban booze...before they ban firearms on campus
SnakeSkinSkull | 04.17.07 - 4:21 pm | #
It was your momma.
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:22 pm | #
Dammit!! Why don't the coal companies make white charcoal??? Are they racist? Racists lurking in every corner I tell you.
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:25 pm | #
You are already running your own asylum. And Abby, you will never be truly happy. Sorry.
So you personally support denying Americans their right to bear arms because some fucked up immigrant from your asylum whacked a bunch of unarmed, innocent people.
Do you think things might have been a little different had just one person been carrying a loaded gun? Or have they brainwashed you so bad that you still believe, in the face of pure logic, that things would have been even worse?
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:33 pm | #
DaveJ!! I am AGREEING with you. I DO have a hardon for you! Now quit pestering me...shew!!
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:36 pm | #
Cooler heads might prevail this time.
I heard a member of Sarah Brady's anti-handgun organization state today that had a school administrator or professor had a concealed weapon, the carnage might have been contained.
At least he recognized the possibility. That is a start.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 4:38 pm | #
Don't hate me because I am black Count Istvan. I have every much right to live as you my friend.
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:38 pm | #
So, what is your solution to this problem NDR?
Rape our bill of rights again?
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:42 pm | #
Answer.
Nothing.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 4:43 pm | #
I found this:
Does one have to have U.S. citizenship to be eligible to purchase a firearm?
A buyer who is not a citizen of the United States must have lawful alien status and must establish that he or she is a resident of a state by providing a valid photo identification and documentation such as a utility bill or lease agreement which would establish that he or she has resided in the state for at least 90 days prior to the date of the sale.
Why are we extended this right to non-citizens?
hardonfordavej | 04.17.07 - 4:50 pm | #
This is many things, but it is most certainly not a race issue.
Can you imagine the uproar if tomorrow a congressman authored a bill that stated only American-born citizens can purchase a handgun?
On second thought, that discussion might prove to be very enlightening.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 5:03 pm | #
So an AirMarshal with training and a firearm would not have prevented 9/11
That is the stupidest thing Ive ever seen on here.
If the hijackers new there would be a Air Marshal on board every flight.
You think that they still would try.??..you think they would have the courage.
No fuckin way.
The terrorist succede because people are fearful of confrontations and violence.
Grow a back bone for our sake....maybe you might save a life one day.
but I doubt it.
SnakeSkinSkull | 04.17.07 - 5:07 pm | #
From ABC.com:
"Under Virginia law, state residents can only buy one handgun in any 30-day period, suggesting Cho bought his second weapon after April 13 or sometime over the weekend.
"He clearly spent some time figuring out how he was going to take care of business once classes began on Monday morning," said Garrett.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 5:09 pm | #
Hey Dick everyone I know with a CCW is trained with a firearm.
I would trust them with my life....people who have permits are typically highly trained.
I think your just scared of guns...because you lack intestinal fortitude to carry or use one in a tense situation.
SnakeSkinSkull | 04.17.07 - 5:17 pm | #
Liberals blame the gun because it would mean taking no personal responsibility... Conservatives blame the individual who made the conscious decision to commit this violence and hold him accountable for his own actions.
Bob | Homepage | 04.17.07 - 5:25 pm | #
